Six Rape Tropes and How to Replace Them

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Unless your story is specifically about sexual assault, you should probably remove any rape, attempted rape, or even mention of rape from your story. This is because these depictions normalize sexual assault and are often hurtful to survivors. Let’s go over how rape ends up in our stories, why these patterns are hurtful, and how storytellers can accomplish their goals without it.

Content Notice: This article doesn’t include anything graphic, though it does have one abstract description of a rape scene.

1. Rape as a Woman’s Dark Backstory

Red Sonja and Conan from the Red Sonja movie

Many stories prominently featuring a heroine add rape as part of her tragic past. In the classic Red Sonja comic and its 1985 movie, Sonja’s family is killed and she is raped at the hands of mercenaries. She then becomes a warrior to exact revenge. While a goddess who demands chastity from her is involved in the original story, her past with sexual assault is also used as a plot device to make her mistrust men. This is in service to a male audience, who can then enjoy watching Conan earn Sonja’s rare affection.

While this version of Red Sonja is pretty old now, it’s not so different from Sansa’s arc in the Game of Thrones TV show. Sansa is raped by Ramsay Bolton, driving her to exact bloody revenge against him. Like for Red Sonja, the rape is designed to disempower Sansa so she can grow in power and take control.

Storytellers using this trope probably think they are telling a compelling story that honors the female character involved. However, a gender comparison is incredibly revealing. When male characters are disempowered at the beginning of their arc, they are almost never raped. And most of these rapes of women are written by men. The fact remains that sexual assault is not something people want for characters they identify with, even during the low points of a character’s journey. It ruins the wish-fulfillment the story would otherwise offer, making these depictions exploitative at best.

How to Replace This Trope

This one’s simple. Depictions of male heroes offer all sorts of dark backstories that don’t include sexual assault. In fact, when Gail Simone rebooted Red Sonja in 2013, she just took out the rape in the backstory and otherwise left most of the event the same. Having your family murdered is enough reason for revenge, don’t you think?

Sansa’s arc didn’t need rape any more than Sonja’s did. She spent much of her time at King’s Landing at the mercy of her family’s enemies, keeping her head down and doing whatever necessary to survive. That was disempowering enough without adding sexual assault.

2. Rape as an Act Too Far

A man with glowing eye cries out in pain as a hand glows on his chest

In Buffy the Vampire Slayer season six, the show writers started working on a romance between Buffy and the vampire Spike. Many fans wanted these two characters to get together, but since Spike was soulless and therefore inherently evil, a healthy romance between them seemed impossible. The writers decided to make the pair antagonistic lovers in season six and then to give Spike a soul for a more healthy relationship in season seven.

But how could Spike be motivated to get himself a soul? He’d already killed countless people in his past and had no qualms about this. To push him toward redemption, the writers decided he would attempt to rape Buffy, and then he would feel so remorseful about it that he would be motivated to change.*

Arcs in which a man rapes or attempts to rape a woman and then feels sorry enough that he becomes a better person all share a serious problem: they prioritize the rapist over the victim. These events happen to develop an arc for the rapist, and so they by necessity focus on his feelings and how the rape affects him. And in many of these stories, completing this arc requires the survivor to forgive him. This means the survivor doesn’t get justice; their feelings and needs are pushed aside. This pattern is all too common in real life. We should not encourage it in our stories.

Since the attempted rape in Buffy season six was to redeem Spike in preparation for a romance arc, he then ends up in a relationship with his victim. For many alienated fans, this felt like an endorsement of his rape attempt. Instead of strengthening the romance, the attempted rape tainted it. In stories, rape is an act that’s over the moral event horizon – a character should not be redeemed after that, because many audience members will never like them again.

How to Replace This Trope

Motivating a happily immoral character to change his ways isn’t the easiest task, but it doesn’t require sexual assault. What you choose may depend on what your character’s already done, but let’s look at several likely contenders.

  • Hurting the people he cares about in other ways. Since Spike at least loved Buffy, doing something that was hurtful to Buffy was a good choice; it just shouldn’t have been sexual assault. Instead, he could have done something immoral that unintentionally had negative consequences for her. For instance, in the episode As You Were he was caught dealing in dangerous demon eggs. Those eggs could have hatched and led to her becoming severely injured.
  • Being uncomfortably caught between good and evil. Instead of hurting loved ones on Team Good, a character can also reform because he realizes he doesn’t fit in with Team Evil anymore. Finding out that he’s already changed can cause an identity crisis that makes him realize he’d be better off if he reforms the rest of the way. Alternately, all of his evil dreams could come true, only for him to realize they don’t make him happy. This is the method used for Zuko in Avatar: The Last Airbender.
  • Losing control and doing more damage than intended. Depending on where his previous boundaries were, losing control and directly injuring or killing someone could be motivating enough. To keep this behavior away from the moral event horizon, the killing can be an accident caused by his recklessness, or he can get overly enthusiastic when fighting someone who deserved a bad time, but maybe not that bad.

3. Rape as a Threat in a Gritty World

Sansa and Daenerys sit across a table, clasping hands

Unlike the other rape tropes, which stem from decisions about the characters, this one is rooted in how storytellers approach settings. Many storytellers aim for a gritty atmosphere for their stories – one that is filled with real world problems. This is a common choice in settings that are post-apocalyptic, historical, or other-world fantasy.

Even when storytellers are creating a completely fictional world, they often insist that they must include sexual assault because it somehow makes their work historically accurate. As one example, George RR Martin has stated he included rape in The Song of Ice and Fire books because he wanted his books to be “strongly grounded in history and to show what medieval society was like.” Similarly, storytellers who include rape threats in post-apocalyptic settings are aiming to pull no punches in showing the breakdown of human society.

But the truth is that historical accuracy does not exist in fiction, nor can we know what the future would be like after a cataclysm. Everything in a fictional story has been manufactured by the storyteller, and accuracy is never a storyteller’s highest priority. How often do heroes throw the contents of their chamber pots out onto the street? How often do we make our pretty actors look like they have rotting teeth? When a character is sick, how often does the hero summon a doctor to bleed them?

We don’t see those things because the actual goal of storytellers is to create the impression that their story is realistic or historical while creating an enjoyable experience. Accordingly, historical settings are always sanitized for a modern audience, and futuristic settings are always designed to be compelling to people today. A storyteller that defends the sexual violence in their setting with the real-world fallacy is trying to hide that they used rape to build atmosphere.

This defense tells us just how harmful the practice is. Putting rape in a story to make the world gritty, and defending that practice as the only realistic choice, communicates that rape is an inevitable part of human existence, not a specific choice made by a person who could have chosen otherwise. Real people use this idea to argue against holding rapists accountable for their actions. With the responsibility for rape taken away from the perpetrator, instead victims are held responsible for failing to prevent it.

How to Replace This Trope

If you want a gritty setting, you have many realistic-feeling problems to choose from. Drugs. Violence. Poverty. Illness. If your heroes are struggling to gather enough food for the winter, fighting with their neighbors over which lands belong to whom, tending to a sick family member with the plague, and are drowning their sorrows in laudanum, it’ll be gritty enough. Anyone who complains that there isn’t sexual violence as icing on the cake is not someone you want to cater to.

Is it possible for omitting sexual assault to feel like erasure of the crimes in history? It’s possible, but only for specific historical events, not fictional scenarios. If you are depicting real historical events with real groups of people where sexual assault occurred, consult with the people closest to the survivors about your depiction.

4. Rape as a Comparison Between Mr. Wrong and Mr. Right

An Englishman and Scotsman fighting in battle

In the Outlander TV series, Claire is a World War II nurse suddenly transported back to 18th-century Scotland. There, she is kidnapped by a bunch of Scotsmen, including her Scottish love interest, Jamie. But the Scotsmen keeping her prisoner and treating her terribly are supposed to be sympathetic good guys, so to make them look that way, they have an enemy designed to be even worse. They are fighting oppressive English troops led by Captain Randall, who rapes everyone he can get his hands on. Randall is actually the ancestor of Claire’s husband in the World War II era, and he looks exactly like him. In this way, the story sets up a direct comparison between Randall and Jamie.

This is not an uncommon pattern in heterosexual romances. It might feature a male hero who saves a love interest from being raped and receives her gratitude, or it might be about a woman being pursued by multiple men – one of whom tries to rape her. Regardless of whether the story was written for men or women, including rape serves the same purpose: making Mr. Right look virtuous by comparing him to a rapist.

Sometimes this is done without even introducing a rapist into the story. Instead, a woman offers sex while she is under the influence of magic and therefore unable to consent, and a male protagonist shows his virtue by choosing not to rape her. This happened for Venkman in the original Ghost Busters and for Xander in season two of Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

Regardless of how it’s done, this trope sets the bar way too low! It should be taken for granted that a male hero won’t rape someone; they don’t deserve kudos for refusing to do it. Using rape as the line between bad and good behavior not only normalizes rape, but completely excuses discrimination, intimidation, and sexual harassment – like, for instance, the sexual harassment that both Venkman and Xander engage in.

How to Replace This Trope

Since the issue with this trope is that standards for men are set too low, the key to replacing it is to raise them higher. Mr. Wrong shouldn’t be a rapist, but he can engage in other bad behavior that sets him apart from Mr. Right.

If subversive commentary is to your taste, you can use some of the inappropriate male behaviors that are currently played straight in many love stories today:

  • Mr. Wrong can attempt to control the heroine. He can tell her what to do and make choices for her life that he insists are in her best interest.
  • Mr. Wrong can be a persistent suitor, continually asking the heroine on a date after she’s turned him down, perhaps even harassing her at her workplace.
  • Mr. Wrong can give her a surprise kiss.

If you’re up for a deeper look at character motivations, consider comparisons between men that love the heroine selfishly or selflessly. Is he trying to get her to do whatever makes him happy, or is he is concerned about her happiness?

5. Rape as Relationship Drama

A woman leans against a man inside a spaceship

In the 2004 Battlestar Galactica series, many of the cylons look human. However, there are about twelve models of human-looking cylons, so that means many of them appear identical. This gives the writers an opportunity to have an antagonistic cylon named Boomer sub in for her look-alike, Athena. Boomer ties Athena up and puts her in the closet, and then out of spite, she has sex with Athena’s husband where Athena can watch through the cracks in the doors. Afterward, instead of recognizing that her husband was raped, Athena gets mad at him because he didn’t magically know the identical impostor wasn’t her.

Consent requires being informed. If someone only consents because they were lied to or tricked, it’s rape. Fortunately, we’ve come a long way since the infamous glorified rape scene in Revenge of the Nerds. These days, big budget studios seem to get that when a man puts on a mask and has sex with a woman pretending to be her partner, it’s rape. But as soon as it’s a woman pretending to be a man’s partner, they’re suddenly confused. Similar rapes to the one in Battlestar happen in Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Orphan Black. Orphan Black even has the hero of the story do the raping.

The Orville uses a similar device for relationship drama in its first season. The victim this time is a woman, Grayson. Instead of a switcheroo, an alien slips her a hormonal date-rape drug. Neither she nor her husband know a mind-altering substance was used on her, so she is blamed for cheating and they get a divorce. This all happens prior to the start of the show, and a large portion of The Orville’s first season is spent shaming her for the incident. When the true nature of the encounter is revealed, she and her ex have a whole conversation about how the sex “wasn’t her fault” while simultaneously refusing to recognize that she was raped.

The rapes in Battlestar Galactica and The Orville seem pretty different, but the storytelling reasons for them are the same.

  • The show writers wanted to create drama in an existing relationship.
  • They wanted both people to ultimately be blameless for the drama.
  • They didn’t want to do the work to find an issue that two people would reasonably disagree about.
  • They clearly thought either the titillation of the scene or the crude jokes that could be made about it afterward were a bonus.

Of course, what’s ironic is that if the writers weren’t willing to think up a genuine disagreement, they were definitely not ready to handle the implications of rape in their story. That was probably a contributing factor in their choice to pretend rape didn’t happen.

Regardless, these stories spread false ideas about consent and, in doing so, only make rape in the real world more likely.

How to Replace This Trope

For a source of conflict between a couple, a dip into the real world reveals plenty of choices. However, many storytellers will want something more fun than stressing over the family finances. Ideally, the disagreement will also be something that connects to the external conflict of the story. Try these:

  • Arguments over risky behavior. One of them wants to go on a dangerous mission, and the other is not okay with that.
  • Divided loyalties. They’re on different sides of a political conflict.
  • Incompatible ways of resolving problems. One of them wants to shoot first, whereas the other insists on trying diplomacy.

The impersonation examples I listed were also used to let one woman get revenge on another. But if she can impersonate her enemy that thoroughly, there are a ridiculous number of other ways she could do damage. What about committing crimes as the other person? Selling her stuff? Getting fired at her job? Instead of raping her partner, what about breaking up with him?

Then, of course, these storytellers are just looking for a way to add a raunchy scene to an interpersonal conflict. I’m not even going to suggest a replacement for that. Titillating scenes are not an essential part of most stories, and rape should definitely not be used for titillation.

6. Rape as an Explanation for an Unusual Bloodline

Vin from Mistborn.

In the novel Mistborn, Vin is a part of an oppressed group called the skaa. However, she has superpowers that only nobles are supposed to have. That’s because to prevent the skaa from getting powers, nobles are forbidden from interbreeding with them. Instead of leaving it there, author Brandon Sanderson establishes that noblemen regularly rape skaa women and then kill them afterward to prevent babies. Even the love interest, a noble, apparently engaged in this practice once. Since he was young and his father arranged it, the love interest didn’t realize his victim would be killed. However, she wouldn’t have consented to sex with a noble for obvious reasons. Thankfully, the book skips over that part.

Welcome to the most pointless rape trope of all – wherein storytellers use rape to explain something that doesn’t need explaining. Nobles being forbidden by the Emperor is sufficient explanation for why Vin is one of only a few skaa with powers, the rape murder is excessive. Sanderson could also have established that nobles use some kind of contraceptive or hire infertile sex workers. You’d think some nobles would want to see a favorite prostitute more than once.

Similarly, rape is often used as the background for rare interbreeding, as though that requires an explanation. In the novel Spinning Silver, the character Irina can do magic with fairy silver because a fairy raped her great-grandmother. In the Narnia books, CS Lewis explains that existence of Telmarines in Narnia by saying they’re descended from a bunch of pirates who “stole” native women before accidentally crossing into another world. I wish today’s writers all understood women are not possessions, but alas.

How to Replace This Trope

In these instances, mentions of rape can usually be removed without a replacement. It isn’t necessary to explain why an unusual pair of people shook the bed just once. If you think consensual sex seems unlikely in a particular case, just don’t mention how it happened.

In Mistborn, the explanation was why there aren’t more babies. In that effort, lots of rape was counterproductive. I’m guessing Sanderson thought he needed something shocking to show why the oppression of skaa was bad. He did not.

Even if your story is about rape, you might still leave sexual assault out. The movie Maleficent uses the theft of the protagonist’s wings as an analogy for rape, and it works beautifully. In Mad Max: Fury Road, the protagonists are helping victims escape their rapist as part of the movie’s central message: people are not possessions. Even so, sexual assault is never shown on screen or directly discussed. That’s because part of taking this issue seriously is being respectful to survivors.

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  1. uschi

    I recently came across a particularly baffling example of #3. (I have to mention that I wasn’t paying a lot of attention, so I’m fuzzy on the details.) In World War Z, the family visits a supermarket filled with panicky people trying to get the last of the supplies (I don’t think there are zombies around yet at this point). And as soon as the wife is on her own for a few seconds, some guy tries to sexually assault her. This makes no sense other than to enhance the gritty feeling, but can it get any bleaker than diseased zombies and mass panic? Why would scared people fighting for provisions to increase their chance of survival take the time to rape someone? Why would they even want to? This was so superfluous it made me actually angry – even in a generally terrible movie this moment is the worst for me.

    • Cay Reet

      In such a situation, nobody would think about sex – survival ranks higher than reproduction for humans. First survive, then reproduce, because it makes no sense the other way around, given human babies need someone to raise them (unlike snakes, sharks, and many, many other species, where the parent can technically die right after laying eggs or giving birth).

      • uschi

        Right?? Priorities, people!

      • Purplemama

        Rape isn’t sex, it’s violence. It’s a show of domination.

        • Cay Reet

          Which makes even less sense in that situation.

        • Sarah

          Thank you.

  2. N

    In some romances rape is treated as just another tragically unfortunate marital problem. Empress Ki (historical fiction) does this. Towards the end of the show the heroine’s marriage comes under tremendous strain because she is keeping her husband in the dark about her political maneuvering, making him feel like he’s been used and cast aside. So **naturally** he gets drunk and rapes her. It’s treated as rape, too, not something that she consents to halfway through, or is okay with after the fact. But then the show never actually resolves that. He just promises never to drink again (and breaks that promise soon) and then it’s never brought up again. It was honestly the lowest point in an otherwise good show. (They already had healthier marital problems! Why couldn’t the writers have stuck with that?!)
    What was particularly upsetting, in hindsight, is that the husband *knows* how horrible it is to be forced to have sex with someone, because he’s been coerced into sex *twice* with different women for political reasons, once by someone he trusted and looked up to, and the other time by someone he was afraid of. And he turned around and raped the love of his life anyway. I feel like the writers really didn’t understand the actual real-life seriousness of domestic abuse *or* sexual violence.

  3. LeeEsq

    Since even professional writers and authors really can’t seem to help themselves in using these rape tropes, I think the best piece of advice is you really shouldn’t put sexual assault into your story at all unless it is absolutely necessary. This means that theme of the story itself is sexual assault. If sexual assault is merely a plot point and your overall theme is something else like how monarchal politics are bad or a woman’s time traveling romantic adventures, don’t put it in there.

    • Sarah

      Yes, that’s exactly what the article said.

    • Forest Wells

      I don’t know about that. While I agree it should probably be used less than it is, if used well and properly, it can still work in some instances.

      An example just of the top of my head without any thought at all; someone who greatly mistrusts the other gender because of such an instance.

      While even that could be done other ways, the point remains; Be careful not to go too far the other way. You could miss out on a chance to use it where it would be the best thing for a given story/character.

      • Kris

        Yes, but just like the article said multiple times, there are OTHER ways to get a character to feel mistrustful of another gender besides sexual assault. S/He could have been lied to over and over by members of that gender. Manipulated. Injured. If one instance of rape could make someone not trust all members of that gender, then a single instance of something else that’s damaging would serve the same plot/character purpose.

  4. LeeEsq

    I could never get into Outlander because I emphasized too much with Claire’s 20th century husband, who I thought got a raw deal.

  5. BW

    I don’t know if this sort of thing is mentioned in the relationship drama section, because I need to not think about that episode.
    Anyway, Fire Logic. Karis and Zanja. It falls under the “this story isn’t about assault at all, but includes it anyway”. The author unintentionally doubled down on some of the worst fears of survivors and centered on Zanja’s feelings and actions surrounding the whole thing. It does plenty of stuff to show Karis has lasting intimacy issues and trauma, talks about her fears etc… Then went ahead and very graphically depicted the first time they have sex, which is also the first time Karis ever has consensual sex. All while in Zanja’s head. Best was that it was right at the end as some sort of “happy ending”. It was also not long after a scene where they kiss, Karis freezes, but Zanja assures us that Karis is strong enough to push her away if she felt like it. That scene on its own was deeply upsetting and problematic.
    When they first meet Karis flinches back when Zanja touches her, Zanja realizes why and we get a moment in Zanja’s head talking about just how easy it would be to assault Karis and how easily people must have done in the past.
    The moments I related to Karis’s intimacy problems and relationship worries made the way it was handled that much more painful.
    There’s more, but this is already kind of long and I don’t actually like thinking about their relationship. I also would never suggest a fellow assault survivor read it. Maybe some wouldn’t be badly hurt, but I know I was. I know some of the stuff doubles down on the fears of every assault survivor I have ever spoken to.

  6. Katie

    Using things like rape are cheap because they carry so much weight, but honestly… a woman can just be harassed and not full on raped to carry that darkness with her (paranoia, fear, depression, etc) and be traumatized for life. (Just watch Marisha Ray’s Between the Sheets interview to get an idea)

    I’ve actually started just putting down literature and media that mention rape in an offhand way or as backstory for that cheap depth, especially if it’s a man writing and it feels like twisted fantasy fulfillment rather than properly handed trauma for the woman.

  7. Sam Victors

    Can this also replace the rape trope? by having the Heroine ‘agree’ to have sex with the man to avoid being raped. Though consensual, its unenthusiastic and unwanted but its a survival tactic.

    I say this because I always read that rape is treated as a fate worse than death, and her honor is destroyed. And even when the woman agrees to have sex with the evil man, her love interest would treat it like an ultimate betrayal rather than sympathize with, because he treats her as his sexual property and not a person.

    • Oren Ashkenazi

      I addressed this on FB, but I’ll repost here: Consent given under duress isn’t real consent, so the scenario you’re describing would still be rape. It’s true that there are a lot of issues around how we imagine the consequences of rape, and some authors do explore that, but it’s not something that can be done without a lot of consideration and care.

  8. Julia

    One source I like to turn to for relationship conflict ideas are advice columns. You can get some over-the-top stories that are great jumping off points for drama.

  9. Amaryllis

    Thanks for the article. I also would like to talk about female-on-male rape being no big deal trope. I’ve seen it a lot of times, mostly it wouldn’t even recognized at rape. And in at lest one anime, the female character had the in-universe justification for rape.

  10. Oren Ashkenazi

    Editor’s Note: I’ve deleted a comment for claiming that men can’t be raped. That is both inaccurate and disrespectful to survivors.

  11. Aaron

    One of my least favorite of these (#2) has a corollary when the victim is associated with a protective character, almost always male. Movies like Rob Roy, or S4 of Downton Abbey – the rape is just there to give the male character motivation to go do violence on behalf of the victim, whether she’s asked him to or not. Her arc is left behind, in tatters, and the cis-het male-centric narrative is perpetuated ad nauseum.

    These are all disgusting tropes, and the alternatives you provide are bloody brilliant. Thank you for this!

    • Tony

      As Anita Sarkeesian put it: “In the game of patriarchy, women are not the opposing team; they are the ball.”

  12. Tony

    Along with Fury Road, another good example of dealing with rape without directly depicting it is the first season of Jessica Jones.

    As an analogy to another heavy topic, the tactful approach that Fury Road and Jessica Jones took is a bit like how Mel Brooks has repeatedly mocked Nazis without showing the Holocaust on screen.

  13. Laura Ess

    When it comes to “Rape as an Act Too Far”, I think LORD FOUL’S BANE has a notorious example.

    Thomas Covenant is a leper in our world and though he’s managed it as well as he can, there were several complications including impotence. Covenant gets transported to “The Land”, To quote the Wikipedia synopsis:

    `Covenant is transported… [to] …Kevin’s Watch, a tall finger of rock attached to a mountain overlooking the Land’s southernmost region. He meets a girl named Lena, who uses a special mud called hurtloam to heal the injuries from his fall. Covenant is shocked to discover that the hurtloam has also cured his leprosy. This is only the first example Covenant will see of the Earthpower: a rich source of healing energy present throughout the Land. Believing that he is unconscious from his collision with the police car, and therefore experiencing a fantastical dream or delusion, Covenant refuses to accept the reality of the Land. Appalled and indignant at the expectations the people of the Land have for him as their new-found saviour, he gives himself the title of “Unbeliever.” He is also unprepared for the sudden restoration of his health, which cures the impotence brought on by his leprosy. This, and his mental turmoil over the reality he feels but does not believe, drives him into a frenzy, causing him to rape Lena, an act which will be pivotal to all that follows.`

    So the author sets up a scenario where the protagonist thought he was in a dream and hence his actions there had no consequences. However, the rest of the trilogy shows that isn’t the case, and the consequences of his act haunt him both socially and physically within the Land. I had friends who wouldn’t read any of the books because of the rape scene in the first volume, because they couldn’t stomach a rapist as a hero. In fact Covenant is an anti-hero, someone who saves the Land despite himself, someone who’d considered himself irremediable and yet wins out in the end.

    For me though, that was to link that got me reading the first two trilogies. I’d had a childhood full of epilepsy and the consequences of its treatment, and felt like I had a monster inside of me. I felt both irremediable and dead inside. That changed over time. But I think the choice of using rape to make Covenant a pariah was done because it was an act that COULDN’T be forgiven. I’m not sure what Donaldson could have substituted instead.

    • Dvärghundspossen

      It was a long time since I read those books, but… I was gonna give up after the rape scene. I was like WTF? What is this? They throw in a rape scene as mere… character development, for the male hero/rapist? I’m done with this!
      Husband then convinced me to continue and said it was dealt with in more depth later. I did, and it was. Ultimately, I really liked the Covenant series (or, like, up to Runes of the Earth – the series suffered this problem where descriptions of environment etc took up progressively more space until I gave up for THAT reason in book seven, but that’s a completely separate issue).

      However, I’ve talked to LOTS of women who just put the book down at that point and never continued the series. As I said, it was a long time since I read it, and I can’t come up with suggestions for what Donaldson should have done instead. But still.

      (Also, even though I think the Covenant series ultimately dealt with the rape okay, Donaldson wrote the Gap series as well. Sci-fi series where book one really WALLOWS in rape and abuse, like you think Donaldson was trying out for the misogyny world championships or something.)

      • Leona

        The whole facing Lenna towards the end includes her never having stopped loving him.

        I think the Covenant series handles rape terribly. I say this as a writer and as a survivor. You two are free to your opinions but having a victim be I love with her rapist after the fact is sick and wrong.

        • Dvärghundspossen

          It was a long time since I read it, but as I recall, she had developed some kind of almost psychotic delusion in which he never raped her, instead they had had a consensual romance… in response to a trauma that was so bad she couldn’t quite handle it. (I’m not a rape survivor but I have had psychosis and delusions, so that might have coloured my own reading. I’m not gonna defend it as “the right one”, in particular since it was so long since I read it.)

  14. FluxVortex

    The Orville is so vile, the idea that there are people who find it funny terrifies me.

    • John story

      I would agree, if it was true. It wasnt. The character did not put a date rape drug into her drink. In fact, there was no mention or rape. That she merely cheated on him in a CONSENUAL encounter in season 2, The character played by rob lowe, went through a “heat cycle” and let off pheremones, which opened up the character to sleep, consensually with the captain.

      Everything was spot on but the orville

      • Oren Ashkenazi

        Editor’s Hat: The reason we included the Orville as an example is because the alien in question deliberately denied Grayson the ability to consent, which qualifies as rape no matter the specifics of how it’s accomplished. I talk more about that specifically in this post.

        John, if you would like to discuss this issue further, please do so in the main comments rather than a reply here, as I’m closing this thread.

  15. Dvärghundspossen

    For me, it makes a huge difference whether a book goes into detail or not. I can see your point with Mistborn, but I was fine with those books mostly because we’re just TOLD that this is a thing that happens; we don’t watch rape+murder scenes in lurid detail. Also, we learn later on that the Lord Ruler has specific reasons for making it SEEM like he is super serious with forbidding nobles to make babies with skaa women, although in reality he depends on people breaking the rules now and then.

    By the way… I was in this discussion a while back with male fantasy fans who argued that
    a) good people can stomach reading about horrible stuff. If you don’t wanna do that, it just goes to show that you’re sheltered, and wanna pretend like the world is already perfect instead of improving it.
    b), also, realism: Since the real world has rape in it, books must too.

    I spent some time arguing against the incredibly stupid point a, but eventually just got tired and attacked point b by going:
    – Well how about tax evasion? It’s a really common crime in the real world! Why do fantasy authors don’t wanna deal with tax evasion? There’s hardly any tax evasion in any books whatsoever, that’s SO unrealistic!

    IDK why I used that as an example, but I was getting tired and it was the first thing that popped up.

    • Chris Winkle

      Yeah, point b comes up in a lot of storytelling discussions. So we just gave it a name (real-world fallacy) so we could just reference that whenever it comes up.

    • Cay Reet

      Another good question in such cases: what about going to the toilet? We all have to pee and to poop (including, I would guess, alien or fantasy races). Yet there’s hardy a book which deals with that.

      • Dvärghundspossen

        I’ve seen this in response to George Martin’s supposedly realistic rape-filled Westeros: There are times where loads of people in the story should be sick with serious diarrea if we’re gonna be historically accurate, and yet no mention of this in the books!

        (Also, re the same author, I’ve actually seen people who seem to know their medeival history argue that Westeros is MORE misogynistic than real medeival Europe was.)

        • tenereamir

          Wrong. Read closely the descriptions of the Pale Mare again. In fact, read closely how Tywin Lannister is killed.

          • Leigh

            Agreed, George talks about poop. A lot. And bad teeth and stinks and all sorts of gross stuff.

          • Dvärghundspossen

            Well I’ll happily retract the diarrhea comment then!

    • LeeEsq

      I’d totally read a story about a government revenue agency having to collect taxes from Vampiric lords and other powerful monsters.

      • Cay Reet

        Which would totally give them a reason to treat magic users well, because they’d be needed to enforce that tax collection.

        Yes, I’d absolutely read a story about that, too.

        • LeeEsq

          The temptation would be to create an elite, bad-ass division of the revenue agency to do this. My tastes would run in the opposite direction. I’d make them just as nebbish as everybody else dealing with more ordinary citizens. Pencil-pushers vs. mages, vampires, and dragons.

          • Cay Reet

            “Look, sir, as long as your hoard is on US territory, you are required to file your taxes for all the gold you have acquired this year to make it bigger. There’s no need to fill your fuel reservoire, if you incinerate me, my successor will be here next week again to remind you of your duties. You may not need our roads, but that’s our cows you’re eating regularly and you have yet to make a payment to the nearest farms to make it legal.”

          • Cay Reet

            You actually got me to write a quick flash piece. How to get the taxes from a vampire.


          • Oren Ashkenazi

            Oh my god Cay I love it!

          • Cay Reet

            I’m glad you like it. It was going through my mind since LeeEsq said they wanted an ordinary human gathering taxes from vampires etc.

  16. bradfilippone

    I haven’t seen Downton Abbey, but the scene you mention in Rob Roy I felt was needlessly graphic. It simply didn’t need to go that far.

  17. JohnnyW

    This was a great read. Very educational with plenty to think about, with great solutions. (Solutions so obvious it makes you wonder why the tropes exist in the first place.)

    Side note (which doesn’t change this article at all): Buffy Season 6 was the first season not run by Joss Whedon, but by Marti Noxon. It definitely had a lot of problems.

  18. tenereamir

    See, as a survivor of sexual assault, I don’t want this ignored in fiction. I don’t want it there “to make the female character interesting”, but I also don’t want it ignored as something that never ever should ever happen to any character.
    I have a male character who was sexually abused in his youth.
    Likewise, I have a female character who was raped in her marriage prior to the opening of the story.

    Neither plays a huge role in the plot and are only mentioned in passing once or twice, but they have played a role in how those characters perceive others around them.

    To pretend rape doesn’t exist and should never be written about is a slap in the fact to every victim every bit as much as “cheapening” it on page to be a lazy trope.

    • Chandra


    • Percival Quinn

      This… is exactly the comment I wanted to read.

      Tropes are tools. While the substitutes mentioned can be helpful depending on the tone of the story, some stories accept no substitutes.

      Plus, stories centered around the victim and how they deal with the trauma and the stigma can be some extremely compelling stuff in the right hands.

      I don’t just want to know the substitutes, I want to know how to retool and write tropes such as these respectfully, or at least as respectfully as possible.

    • Sarah

      It sounds like you have the knowledge and tools to represent sexual assault responsibly, so your story doesn’t fall under these tropes.

    • kirsten

      as a rape survivor… i WRITE rape into my fiction…. because its common.
      right now, almost every woman i know has been raped, coerced, harassed, etc. if i am writing a modern day story? and not any of the characters deal with that or have dealt with that?
      also i write consent issues, and men being assaulted… at least in part because so many of my male friends had no idea they were even at risk in a bar!
      i have had characters NOT understand that what happened to them is unacceptable… not understand that it was rape… even if they were unhappy about it…
      because internalized victim blaming is a real thing.

      so i find the “pretend it never ever happens” to be a very bad idea. i read and write fiction to explore consent ideas, trauma, and survival sometimes.
      rape shouldnt be in every single story, but banning something that happens to at LEAST 1 in 6 women and 1 in 15 men? thats unrealistic

    • Trish

      Yes, this!

    • Tuttle

      Thank you for your perspective. I’ve written and deleted a scene (four times now) of an attempted sexual assault in which the victim fights off the attacker. I wrote this as a demonstration of agency as well as a transfer of power dynamics. Even scrubbing the scene of anything remotely titillating, I still worry for exploitation. Still don’t know if the scene will make the final draft. I’m so sorry for your experience and I sincerely appreciate your commentary.

  19. Jenni

    I understand not normalizing sexual assault. But somehow it’s ok to normalize men trying to control women’s lives? 🤦 If portraying the negative things that villians do is normalizing the behavior, then *every* time you write a villianous character, you normalize *all of their behavior.*

    I agree that rape shouldn’t exist in fiction just for the sake of it. But not talking about rape in literature just makes the subject taboo. Taboos make victims feel more shame when it happens to them (like miscarriage). If it’s relevant to your characters and plot, don’t let anyone tell you not to include it. Instead, make sure it’s there for the right reasons and gives victims a voice (and as mentioned above, isn’t there just for the sake of the male hero looking better).

    • Cay Reet

      I agree that it shouldn’t be a taboo. The problem is that rape is often seen as the easy way out if you have to motivate a character (female one = rape survivor, male one = relative of a raped person), a quick thrill and shock moment, or just a ‘look how gritty my world is’ flavour.

      The article also says ‘look if it’s necessary for the story.’ If rape is the main topic of the story, it should be treated well and stay in there, but if you can exchange rape for another kind of abuse, one that would also happen to men with the same frequency, then it might be a good idea to choose that instead of the rape. In the instances I mention above, rape could easily be exchanged for something else. If rape is intrinsic for your story, it can’t be.

      • Sarah

        But why is rape worse than other abuse in this context? Is avoiding these tropes out of respect for survivors or is it something else? Because survivors of child abuse, torture, emotional abuse, etc., are just as deserving of their traumas being depicted in a meaningful and respectful way, and those tragedies are also often depicted poorly and used lazily.

        • Bubbles

          Hmm… That’s actually a fascinating (if disturbing) question. A lot of people do think of rape as something that is particularly horrible in ways that other serious crimes aren’t exactly. A couple of reasons have been proposed for why people believe this, but I don’t know which one is true – or whether the belief itself is at all justified. This pattern is even mentioned in TVTropes I believe, with the “Rape is a Special Kind of Evil” article. And to be fair, the Mythcreants articles are at least consistent on this. While not mentioned in this article, there are other articles that discuss the topics you mentioned.

          There’s a whole article on torture, as well as a few other mentions in other articles about the topic, arguing that it also shouldn’t just be thrown into any kind of story because that also runs the risk of promoting myths about torture, normalizing it, and putting many people off the story.

          I believe the article about normalization itself (unless I remembered incorrectly) mentions that showing emotional abuse in a story is dangerous because it can cause many people to sympathize with the abuser. Now, I definitely don’t know whether that is true or whether it justifies censorship, but I’m just reporting what someone else said here. At least it proves that the topic has been mentioned here as a serious subject as well.

          Now, I will admit I am not sure whether child abuse has ever been mentioned here beyond brief mentions, or whether the authors here have ever suggested that this topic, in particular, should not be included in the average story, but the mentions do show they consider it a problem.

        • Cay Reet

          One problem is male authors just using the rape of a woman as a flavour or quick solution without realizing what being raped means. Often, you find people considering rape ‘less bad’ than other forms of trauma such as the ones you’ve listed. That might be, because it happens more often (but not only, mind) to women.

          Lazily using any kind of trauma is bad, no question, and there are several articles on the site about using things like abuse or torture without thinking about it (and especially about depicting torture as a valid way of gaining information, which it is not).

        • Sedivak


          Also I’m slightly repeating myself but murder and other kinds of violent killing of a human being are in the same category.

          We cannot pretend these things don’t happen in human society and we cannot prohibit authors to write about them. We should just urge the authors not to use these topics lightly or cheaply.

    • Leigh

      Brilliant comment. Totally agree.

  20. Bitchard Pryor

    Do better research please. If you’re going to use the Buffy/Spike thing at least get the story right.

    1) No, it was NOT done in preparation for a romance story and Buffy and Spike NEVER got back together.

    2) Spike didn’t get his soul back to redeem himself or become someone Buffy could love. He did it to be the kind of man who would never again TRY to do that. It wasn’t about redemption, it was about PUNISHMENT. He believed only with a soul could he feel guilt for what he did.

    3) He was never absolved of what he tried to do. Buffy never truly fully trusted or forgave him. In fact when she learned he willingly got his soul back she was horrified. She kept him around only because she needed him in the coming fight, and ONLY told him she loved him right before he sacrificed himself as a kindness. Even Spike knew she didn’t mean it, and thanked her for saying it anyway right before he died.

    4) NOT ONCE EVER did anyone act like what he did was magically okay because he had a soul now. Not even he himself.

    All the other entries on this list make sense, but the Buffy/Spike plot? No, that one doesn’t fit here and you clearly failed to research the story properly, or pay attention when watching, because you got SO much blatantly wrong. Buffy and Spike were NEVER meant to be a Luke & Laura. The entire point of their story was to show the harm an unhealthy aggressive sexual relationship can cause and that rapists CANNOT be magically redeemed. The exact OPPOSITE of what you’re suggesting.

    • Leigh

      Thank you, I thought the same thing reading the article above… things kind of start lacking credibility when you know the author is wrong. There was never any great pure love between Spike and Buffy, it was always toxic. I get where the author is coming from, but they suggest instead of rape just upping the violence? Is it better to be raped, or tortured, or dead? (Rhetorical question and would depend on the individual)
      I don’t think their solutions offered are clear cut or really the best way through. I don’t like rape used as a plot point for shock factor or to lazily show how bad and gritty the world is that the author is presenting, as other commenters have already said. I hated the rape in the Outlander series (books) and in my mind it was definitely over used to move the story.
      But I don’t think we can ignore this evil aspect of humanity altogether; good writers are inherently interested in exploring many sides of the human condition, whether through their own real life past experiences or ones they don’t understand.
      Rape is a terrible violation of another’s body and mind, and to deny it happens in fiction could give the message of silencing victims in the real world… tv GOT Sansa is terribly violated. She has the opportunity to have her attacker eaten by dogs. Many viewers may disagree with an eye for an eye – some may feel satisfaction. Every reader or viewer will come to the text with their own feelings and experiences to agree or disagree, but I think to remove the discussion altogether is probably not the answer.

  21. AT

    There are lots of reasons to look for story alternatives to sexual assault in addition to concerns about normalization and being upsetting to people who have previously been victims of it. I honestly don’t think either of those are a sufficient reason to declare something taboo for storytelling – as I don’t think anything should be declared taboo for storytelling – but I do think there are reasons to avoid it. It’s lazy, for a start. It also, as it’s usually executed, casually perpetuates negative male stereotypes. I saw a movie tonight where the otherwise entirely non-sexual bad guy suddenly pinned a woman down and made random sexually explicit comments… it was just lazy shorthand for “this man is bad!”, was neither in character nor germane to the narrative, and was never revisited. Just thirty utterly random seconds. While I don’t think it should be taboo, it should at least be used with due circumspection for the sake of good writing.

  22. Samuel

    I’d appreciate peoples weigh in on this and whether they think a character in a story I’m partway through qualifies as number (1), dark backstory.

    About 40,000 words into the book we find out that the primary female character who the main male protagonist has known since about 10,000 words in was raped at 12 and later the twins that resulted from that rape when she was 17. They meet when she is 19.

    It doesn’t come up until that point because she possesses a kind of soul magic that she used on herself to surgically remove the trauma and grief of both experiences from her mind, retaining only her outrage at the unfairness of life, which is her primary motivation for trying to make the world a better place. So that the many others who do not have the ability ‘magic away’ their problems don’t have to. Despite this pseudo-solution, it is clear she has never properly recovered from these events and in some ways is addicted to her magic as a solution for recurring problems it causes.
    Throughout the story we explore the constant struggle that rape survives face, their successes and failures in trying to move on and the compromises that sometimes need to be made to return to a somewhat normal life.

    (It is not stated in the story, but their story mirrors events in my own life and rape experience. Readers will naturally not know this though)

    • Tripo

      The rape is one thing, but the childbirth as a result is one trauma too far. For a lot of women readers, the idea of being raped and then forced to give birth will be too much. Rape is something we have to aware of at all times, add onto that childbirth as a result, and it can cause enough distress to ruin the story for a lot of people.

      What is added to her story by being forced to give birth?

      • Liz

        “What is added to her story by being forced to give birth?”

        Just speaking in general, I’d say it depends on the story. But I think having and rearing the child of rape could become a very interesting opportunity to explore the consequences of that decision. Fiction, even fantastical fiction, should still reflect the human condition, in all its contradictions, ugliness, and glory. The best and the worst and everything in between.

        Writers shouldn’t shy away from reality in order to protect readers. If some event in your story is considered a lazy trope, turn it into something that matters. Show us the complexities and uniqueness of that particular event, involving those particular people. Be honest in portraying it. Maybe that’s what people are objecting to most: the lack of honesty and the lack of consequences, or believable consequences. Or the fact that rape is often treated as a monolithic crime, in which all rapes are the same in terms of moral weight and all victims react the same (or are supposed to react the same) as other victims. But that doesn’t reflect reality. Each act of rape is unique and the persons involved, both perpetrator and victim, are also unique in their motivations and reactions. Writers should take that into account.

        And personally, I think it would be fine to write a story about what happens to the psyche of a person who commits a rape. That’s a legitimate angle to explore and needn’t diminish the cost to the victim in any way.

        • Samuel

          Love it Liz,

          And yes, as someone who continued to know my abuser for years after the fact, I also intend to write a story one day exploring what I came to understand of their psyche.

      • Samuel

        Through her children we explore the conflicting emotions those who choose to keep the children of rape face. Namely finding themselves having to defend their own children from the judgement of those that feel they should not exist, the conflict of the love they have for the children existing alongside the memory of who their father was.
        (She was not forced to give birth, she simply blindly accepted the pregnancy as her fate as the concept of abortion does not exist as an idea within her culture and thus was not a consideration)

        It also forms a key development in her character as although she pulled herself up from the brutality of her own past, watching her children also begin to encounter and be harmed by the harsh realities of life, drove her to change her own course to build a world where they would not have to.

  23. Bubbles

    I think the problem with this article is that, ultimately, it is advocating that stuff that *happens in real life* should never appear in fiction, and the argument it uses to do so is fallacious. The claim is that realism is never an actual priority in fiction, and the idea that tax evasion, chamber pots, and disfiguring diseases never or almost never show up in fantasy fiction. However, A. I know that the last two things *do* often appear in fantasy fiction (although they aren’t always used realistically), and the first one appears in some fiction at least, and B. Just because some or even most authors don’t strive for realism doesn’t mean it’s a bad goal that should never be done.

    So, with that out of the way, this article is just arguing for censorship of things in pretty much all fiction that actually occur in real life, which, if anything, also hurts survivors of these horrific acts by suggesting those things don’t exist, in a way. The real issue is when rape/sexual assault are portrayed *inaccurately*, such as the disgusting claims that someone would like those things to happen to them. That is what you should be speaking against. But claiming they can’t appear unless the *whole story* is about those topics is too limiting.

    • Cay Reet

      The way I see it is more akin to ‘don’t use an event as traumatic as being raped as a cheap thrill to spice up your story,’ because that is how rape often is depicted by authors. A well-done, deep, and carefully crafted story about a rape survivor is something completely different than ‘let’s put more rape scenes into the TV show than the books already had’ or ‘we need a badass female character and she needs motivation, so let’s say she’s been raped before the book start – or even better, start the book with her being raped.’

      Rape has been overused in the media in recent years and so authors really should think about whether they want to use it – that’s my personal opinion. If your whole story is focused on the rape and what follows and you have the skills to do the topic justice, go for it. But if you’re just looking for a shortcut to ‘motivated character’ or ‘gritty realism in fantasy,’ there’s other tools than to throw in a rape or two or ten.

      Another problem is that, while men can be raped (and it’s no ‘easier’ for them than for women), rape is usually depicted as something which happens to a woman for story reasons and when men are raped in media, it’s often played down, played for laughs, used to humiliate the man to an even higher degree, or covered up with ‘men always want sex, so you can’t rape them.’

      GRR Martin, for instance, incorportated a lot from history, not just rape, but also such things as his Red Wedding (which is based on things which really happened in Medieval England). While one could argue that he could have put a little less rape in his books, quite some of the sexual encounters which the TV series played out as clear rape were actually consentual in the books, so while they feature a lot of sex and some scenes which could have been different, he’s not the one only playing the rape card for cheap thrills. The TV series, on the other hand, dived into that trope head-first and found it so useful to draw audiences that they even rewrote some consentual sex as rape.

      • Sedivak

        These are all good points, Cay Reet.

        The way I see it the argument in point 3 of the article is motivated by a good ideal (don’t use cheap depictions of traumatizing events just for added flavor) but it trully is written in a fallacious way.

        You cannot on one hand claim that the world is dark and gritty and on the other describe it as squeaky clean. As horrible and traumatizing as rape is, it is arguably not worse than murder (source: my country’s criminal code, also seems somewhat logical) or war. In a dark and gritty mediaval-styled or postapocalyptic world (or even some todays cities) both rape and murder and sometimes war would be expected to happen. Depending on the work the author would strain the suspension of disbelief by pretending otherwise.

        The important statement would be that these things should not be described lightly.

    • SunlessNick

      I think the problem with this article is that, ultimately, it is advocating that stuff that *happens in real life* should never appear in fiction

      No it’s not.

      • Bubbles

        Very sorry about that unclear phrasing. I think I changed the way I worded my comment while writing it, but I forgot to change that part. My sincere apologies.

  24. Barbara Jungbauer

    Black Jack Randall in Outlander isn’t a rapist to be compared against Jamie in order to make Jamie more appealing.
    Randall is a sadist. We find out again and again, he only gets off when his victim is terrified and in pain. Male or female, he doesn’t care about his victim’s gender, only their pain.
    Claire’s insistence on keeping Randall alive causes strain between her and Jamie – Claire does this because she believes without Black Jack, her Frank will never come to be. Jamie agrees although he wants nothing more than to kill Randall – and also because without Frank, Claire never would have been in Scotland to fall through the stones.
    Eventually, Randall gets what is coming to him.

  25. Hetty Cary

    Barbara Jungbauer
    Thank you.
    “Black Jack Randall in Outlander isn’t a rapist to be compared against Jamie in order to make Jamie more appealing.”

    I get so tired of this argument.

    I’ve been on the AOL Lit forum, Compuserve Lit forum, and now the Litforum in all its iterations for decades and follows these myriad discussions about Diana’s books including more discussions about rape than anyone can imagine.

    What very, very few people who rail against Diana and the Outlander books realize are how many people thank her for these scenes. They are survivors. They needed to know it was all right to feel the way they did.

    I’m writing a Civil War historical now. People will die. Lots of people. Some horribly. The country will be laid waste, but by all that is holy, I better not write a rape in all that destruction because it’s just too much. Give me a break.

  26. Stewart Baker

    Thanks for this article. You make some great points–even if, sadly and stereotypically, many people in the comments seem to be ignoring them. :eyeroll:

    • Oren Ashkenazi

      On Chris’ behalf, thank you!

      It’s been interesting to watch the patterns of comments. When this article first came out, it was mostly our regulars commenting, and they mostly liked it or else they wouldn’t be regulars.

      Then it started getting shared by other sites and pages. Most of the shares are still positive, but at this point the people who feel the need to comment are the angry ones.

      • Dvärghundspossen

        Mythcreants: We don’t think people should use rape in a lazy and sloppy way in stories, that’s disrespectful.

        Many of the commenters: Who are you to decide that rape is 100 % taboo, must never be discussed at all, and everyone ought to pretend as if it doesn’t even exist?

        • Oren Ashkenazi

          Yeah there’s a little bit of strawmaning going on, but at the same time we really do think rape should be left out of most stories, and that most existing stories which have rape would be better without it.

          Of course, the argument that this equates to “pretending it doesn’t exist” is just silly.

          • Sarah

            I’d agree that it’s a strawman.

  27. Alden Loveshade

    I appreciate your wanting to treat rape and sexual assault as serious issues instead of just background noise. And I have not been a big fan of “I fell in love with my rapist” story lines such as the classic Luke and Laura love story on the soap opera “General Hospital.”

    However, I think things can go too far the other way as well, where rape and sexual assault can be swept under the carpet so we can pretend they aren’t there.

    One thing that particularly stood out to me in this article was this:

    “The fact remains that sexual assault is not something people want for characters they identify with, even during the low points of a character’s journey.”

    First, where is your documentation for this “fact?” This seems perilously close to “We all know everybody is uncomfortable with sexual assault victims so we don’t want to hear about it or hear about them.”

    Second, I think many people are actually more likely to identify with a character who has a similar background to theirs. While this has nothing to do with sexual assault, the amazing popularity of Spider-Man after one appearance in a magazine scheduled to be very soon discontinued showed this. Many fans could identify with the nerdy, geeky young man who was nervous around girls.

    As a #MeToo victim of sexual assault (yes, it can happen to males too), my tendency is to relate more to another victim, whether real or fictional. So if I write a story that uses a character inspired by my own life experiences, as many if not all authors do, should I pretend that never happened?

    I don’t believe avoiding discussing and describing sexual assault and rape in stories will help those abuses go away.

    • Sarah West

      No, you don’t pretend it never happened, if you don’t want to. As is explained in the article, your personal experience makes you qualified to story-tell with elements derived from that experience.

  28. Leon

    Is this problematic?

    The idea came from 2 soldiers who were interrogated in the Balkans. They were hand cuffed together and the woman was raped until the man revealed the pass words. She didn’t let him. And many kids got to go home to their families. They are married now.

    The two characters who want a place in my book were interrogated in a similar situation.
    Nitroboy and Nitrogirl are Jack Troopers (similar to Jaeger pilots) and a hacker uses their link to their gunships A.I. to hijack their bodies (they’re full of cybernetic goodies).
    She tells him that they can’t hurt her if they make it good. They don’t get married. They’re brother and sister. So they spend the rest of the story trying to leave eachother alone and help eachother form healthy relationships with other people.

    A lot of the inspiration also came from when i fell in love with a girl who I later learnt was my cousin. Fortunately she is Baptist, but it was still difficult learning to think of each other as family and not lovers. Again, nothing physical happened (but her mum made sure the doors were always open when we were together which we both thought was hilarious).

    • Oren Ashkenazi

      I strongly recommend against using a plot device like that in your story. First, it’s an unnecessary depiction of rape, since the “I’ll torture your friend until you tell me” strategy can work with any kind of torture. Second, it reinforces the idea that torture is a reliable means of extracting information unless the victim has some kind of iron will. In reality, such a strategy is just as likely to produce lies, especially if the victim doesn’t actually know the info their torturer is after.

      As for a romance where the characters then find out they’re related, that’s an entirely separate issue. It doesn’t sound inherently problematic to me, though it could come across as a bit awkward, so I’d be sure that’s the mood you want from your story.

      • Leon

        The character’s have always known that they are brother and sister. I really liked Nitrogirl’s pragmatic mindset, I guess she’s equal parts Valentine Wiggin and Tank Girl.

        Rape as torture is a real thing that does happen in the real world. Normal people survive torture and keep their secrets – it helps that the lives of friends and family are at stake.
        wouldn’t it be a good thing to show that torture is ineffective and to show it with ordinary people?

      • Leon

        I just realized the problem with showing that torture doesn’t work. It makes the villain look incompetent and ruins the story.

        What if the torturer was not the antagonist, but a nasty piece of work who is somehow aligned with team good (I just remembered the guy with the tentacle monster in rogue one – and suddenly were on topic again).

      • Leon

        I just noticed that my description of the event is in present tense. There is no scene, and my intention is to do what Tom SIddell does, and give clues that reveal to the reader what happened.

        For the record, the inspiration for the torture came from a seminar on surviving interrogation and torture.
        the idea of the two people being siblings came from a friend and her sister who then stopped complaining that they were posted to different battalion (we were telecommunications operators, if we were ever captured we were going to be interrogated).
        the body hijacking idea obviously came from Jaegers.

        This is all stuff I have come across in life and literature, none of it came from me. And none of it is my Deal.

  29. Chloe J

    I need to share this post with everyone ever.

    99.99% of the time: Rape = Bad.Story.Telling.

    The only time I’ve seen rape done and handled well is Jessica Jones season one. And I legit had to stop the show mid-season for a few months because I was nervous that it was going to be handled poorly and didn’t know if I wanted to deal with it.

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