Five More Good Stories That Turned Creepy

Stan with a shovel over his shoulders.

I’ve said it before: pointing out creepy or otherwise problematic content in bad stories is easy. Bad stories are less likely to have legions of defenders, but more importantly, we’re more inclined to see harmful elements in stories we already dislike. But critics and fans alike cannot keep their analysis contained to low-quality fiction. It is just as important, perhaps more so, to highlight the mistakes of good stories, since those are the ones most likely to spread their message. Today we’ll examine some of my personal favorites and see where they go wrong.

Content Notice: Discussion of sexism and ableism.

Spoiler Notice: Lords and Ladies, Artemis, and Searching

1. Lords and Ladies

Magrat, Nanny Og, and Granny Weatherwax from the French cover of Lords and Ladies.

Have I mentioned that I love Discworld? It’s probably come up a time or two, and this book is one of my favorites. It subverts the overpowered Tolkien-style elves by casting them in the role of older folktale elves. They’re magnificent, but with that magnificence comes a mile-wide streak of cruelty. They have no empathy for human suffering; to them, humans aren’t even people. And yet humans can’t help but summon the elves, because our species never could ignore a promise of wealth or power.

In addition to its terrifying villains, Lords and Ladies has a host of compelling characters and themes. We have soon-to-be Queen Magrat who must save her country with nothing but determination and an iron breastplate. We have the venerable Granny Weatherwax, wondering if she’s finally gotten too old for this nonsense. The novel teaches us that steady work beats flashy theatrics every time and that kindness is more important than cruelty. It’s a story I’d happily read again, and I just finished a reread.

Unfortunately, Lords and Ladies is also home to our old friend the Persistent Suitor trope. If you’re not familiar with it, this is the trope of a man* who courts a woman, and when she says no, he redoubles his efforts. Her resistance is portrayed as a barrier to overcome rather than a sign that she’s not interested.

In this book, we see Archchancellor Ridcully try to rekindle an old romance with Granny Weatherwax. On its own this romance could have been great; very few stories ever show older folks* in amorous relationships after all, but it’s ruined by Ridcully’s approach. He repeatedly makes advances on Granny, long after she’s firmly told him she isn’t interested. At one point, he even teleports her out of a party against her will so the two of them can be alone.

The Persistent Suitor is toxic because it teaches us that women don’t actually mean it when they say no. They’ll eventually come around if the man just redoubles his efforts. What happens if the woman doesn’t change her mind is usually left to the imagination. This belief is incredibly harmful in real life, as anyone who’s ever been pushed further than they wanted to go can tell you. Pushing past a person’s refusals isn’t romantic; it’s rude at best and criminal at worst.

Unlike most Persistent Suitor stories, Ridcully’s efforts don’t actually pay off, but that isn’t much consolation. The only reason he and Granny don’t get together is that Granny can’t have romance interfering with witching; Ridcully’s efforts are painted as charming if ultimately futile. That’s especially ironic, considering that the evil elves’ most prominent trait is not caring how humans feel about what is done to them.

2. Stan Against Evil

The main characters of Stan Against Evil with a creepy demon in the background.

Stan Against Evil is a comedic horror show, and its title is an amazing pun, so I love it already. It focuses on Stan, an irascible retired sheriff; his eccentric daughter, Denise; and Evie, the new sheriff.* The three of them fight demons in their small New England town, with Evie usually playing the proverbial “straight man” to the other two.

The show is a blast to watch. It makes fun of numerous urban fantasy tropes, and despite its high levels of gore, the theme of the show is usually light. In one episode, Stan and Evie trade jokes as they dig up Stan’s dead wife for her magical amulet. In another, Stan and Denise defeat a powerful demon by reenacting scenes from Jaws. This light tone is especially welcome nowadays, when it seems like every piece of media out there is drenched in grimdark. The show’s acting is excellent, its comedic timing is spot on, and the characters’ personalities complement each other beautifully.

Well, mostly. There is one major problem, and that’s the way Stan, an older white dude, loves to make sexist quips about women. He’ll “joke” that women suck the life out of men they date, or that women always need to get the last word, or that women act irrationally when menstruating, etc. I could go on, but you get the idea.

These jokes are a classic example of punching down: joking at a less privileged person’s expense. The same thing happens when white people make jokes about black people, when straight people make jokes about gay people, and so on. In all of these cases, the joker is reinforcing stereotypes and cultural prejudices that cause real harm to get a laugh. No matter the joker’s intent, prejudiced jokes won’t be very funny to people who suffer from that prejudice.

In the case of Stan Against Evil, the sexist jokes are a serious problem for the show’s comedy. Most of the humor depends on the characters trading barbs on even footing, but there’s nothing either Evie or Denise can say in response to Stan’s misogyny because our culture doesn’t have the same kind of stereotypes about men. This makes Stan seem cruel rather than adorably cantankerous. It’s not until he moves on to more neutral territory that the laughs can start again.

3. Artemis

Cover art for Artemis, showing the protagonist's face.

In Andy Weir’s first novel, The Martian, he demonstrates incredible skill with plot, pacing, and integrating technology into the story. In Artemis, Weir repeats his trick, this time set on humanity’s first and only lunar city. It’s a story that demonstrates excellent fundamentals. We start with protagonist Jazz having a real problem: she needs money, and there aren’t a lot of job opportunities on the moon. From there, the problem escalates, until Jazz and her allies have to save the entire city. Along the way, Weir establishes how the lunar city’s technology works in a way that’s understandable even for English majors.

Weir is really good at worldbuilding* and plotting, but he stumbles on character. This isn’t super noticeable in The Martian because the protagonist spends the entire book isolated on Mars, but in this story Jazz has to talk to other humans. That still could have been fine if Artemis had stuck to simple relationships, but instead he decided to give Jazz a romance with an engineer named Svoboda.

At first, it doesn’t seem like Svoboda is a romantic interest at all. Typically, potential paramours have some quality to make them desirable. In the best romances, this is a personality trait that complements the protagonist in some way, but at the very least you expect the love interest to be attractive. Svoboda doesn’t have any of that. He’s described as totally unattractive and more than a little creepy, displaying an uncomfortable interest in Jazz’s sex life.

That’s not a total deal breaker though; maybe he’ll develop some more desirable traits over the course of the story. Spoilers: he does not. The closest he ever gets is lending Jazz his technical expertise for her work, but Jazz has a number of useful allies, so that’s not enough to stand out. Instead, Svoboda’s creep factor just gets worse. He convinces Jazz to test out a new kind of condom for him, and from that point on, he won’t stop pestering her about when she’ll have sex next.*

By now you’re probably wondering when the romance comes in. The answer is really suddenly, right near the end. For no discernible reason, Jazz decides she’s super into Svoboda, and they smooch soon afterward. This goes from weird to creepy when you consider that the book constantly reminds us how hot Jazz is. She’s so hot, you won’t believe how hot she is. And she ends up with totally unattractive* Svoboda for no reason.

This ending feels like Jazz is being given to Svoboda as a prize for completing the quest of saving the city. This trope usually plays out with a male protagonist and a female love interest, which is still toxic, but it feels so much worse with Jazz as the protagonist. She’s the character we inhabit throughout the story, and her agency is casually tossed aside in the name of some random dude getting a hot girlfriend. She deserves better, and so do we as readers.

4. My Hero Academia

Five of the main characters from My Hero Academia.

At first, My Hero Academia looks like yet another anime about punching and grunting, this time with superhero flavoring. Yawn. But a closer examination reveals something more. First, the animation itself is really well done, and while there are a lot of fights, they’re beautifully choreographed. No reusing frames or prolonged power-ups here, no sir! The powers are a breath of fresh air for superhero fans. In the place of old standbys like laser vision and super strength, we get a girl who can make objects immune to gravity by touching them and a guy who can grow extra limbs.

The characters are also deeper than you might expect. The protagonist is part of a small minority that are born without powers, but he wants to be a superhero anyway. That’s not revolutionary by any means, but it’s easy to sympathize with. Meanwhile, his mentor All Might is a fascinating take on the Superman trope, an extremely powerful hero whose public image as a do-gooder is at least as important to him as his power. The split between All Might’s press-facing persona and the way he acts in private is complex and thought-provoking.

But just when you’ve started to get comfortable with this superhero anime, you start to notice how the show treats its female characters. First, there are barely any female characters. The protagonist is part of a superhero training program, and in his class of 20, there are 6 girls.* That’s an awfully skewed ratio, especially since the show tells us that in this world, the primary factor in people becoming heroes is how strong their powers are. That would seem to rule out in-world prejudice as a factor. Among adults, things are even worse. We see dozens of heroes in just the first season, and three of them are women.

Then there’s the costuming. Inappropriately sexy costumes in a superhero story may not be surprising, but they’re still disappointing. One of the few adult women we see is explicitly dressed like a dominatrix.* Another female hero wears a more traditional skin-tight jumpsuit, but the camera still hugs her chest and butt like they’re going out of style. Because we haven’t yet reached maximum creep, a lot of the kids get this treatment too! One of them has a power that destroys her clothes when she uses it, while another has to take off her clothes in order for her invisibility power to be useful.* And these kids are supposed to be 14 years old. Gross!

My Hero Academia combines a small number of female characters with oversexualized costumes: two terrible tropes that are even worse in tandem. The small number of women reinforces the idea that women are strange and unusual in traditionally male-dominated spaces, which is bad news for any women trying to break into those spaces in real life. Meanwhile, the oversexualization problem is pretty straightforward: it sends the message that women are primarily valuable for titillating straight men.

To be fair, there are exceptions. One of the female teachers has a costume that looks like a space suit, which is pretty neat, and some of the kids have non-objectifying costumes. The female characters with screen time are also generally written as well as the male ones. But if anything, that makes it worse: the creators* know how to do better, and they’ve simply chosen not to. It’s insulting, like they think boys won’t watch their show about superheroes if it has too many girls who aren’t super sexy all the time.

5. Searching

A laptop screen with multiple tabs open, including an image of John Cho and his daughter.

Searching is, without a doubt, the best film I have seen in years. The basic premise is simple: John Cho’s daughter goes missing, and he has to help the police find her by searching through her devices and online history for clues on where she might have gone. It’s a delightful subversion: in most movies, the father would have to find his daughter with machine guns and punches, but Cho’s path allows him to get to know his daughter better after a long period of estrangement.

From there, the plot is gripping and intense. It’s paced so you always have hope that Cho will find his daughter, but that goal is always just out of reach. The stakes rise with each passing hour, and the movie throws out more than one red herring to keep you guessing. Then there’s the filming conceit: The entire movie is shown through device screens. Sometime it’s Cho’s phone, sometimes it’s the daughter’s laptop, and sometimes it’s a random YouTube page. The film never deviates from this conceit.

Normally, I’m not one for film gimmicks, but Searching had me hooked. Beyond the sheer novelty, using device screens provides two important advantages. One, it helps us connect with Cho’s character as he struggles with the same technological problems we all deal with. He has to retrieve passwords off multiple accounts before he can finally access his daughter’s email, he spends precious time refining his search terms, and he has to deal with the dreaded YouTube comments section. This is the first film I’ve ever seen where it feels like the characters use technology the same way I do.

The second benefit of Searching’s screen conceit is that it lets us get to know the daughter. We see her chat messages, listen to voicemails she left, and watch old videos of her with her family. The acting is top quality, but the use of device screens is also key. It allows us to emotionally invest in the daughter’s character without ever seeing her in the present, which would have given away the final reveal.

It’s that final reveal where the film veers into harmful territory. Cho discovers that the detective assigned to him is actually behind the disappearance, oh no! She’s covering for her son, who cyberstalked Cho’s daughter before meeting her in real life, accidentally injured her, and left her for dead in the wilderness. That’s pretty complicated, but it isn’t problematic until the son is revealed to be neurodivergent. The film isn’t clear on exactly how, but it seems like he’s on the autism spectrum and may have some kind of intellectual disability.

This reveal has two harmful messages. First, it plays into the stereotype that disabled people are dangerous. More specifically, there’s a commonly held image of the cyberstalker as a lonely, socially maladjusted guy who creeps on girls because he doesn’t know how to talk to them. Of course in reality there’s no connection between neurodivergence and predatory behavior, but too many people still think there is. This is a major issue, especially for autistic folks, who are often the victims of violence because neurotypical people don’t know how to communicate with them.

At the same time, the film strongly implies that the son’s condition absolves him of responsibility for what he did. He never meant any harm; he just set up an elaborate deception so he could get close to a girl online after she rejected his more overt advances. This is another harmful stereotype about disabled people: that they aren’t responsible enough to be treated like equals.

Adding insult to injury, all this ableism could be taken out, and it wouldn’t change the plot at all. It would still make perfect sense for the detective to be covering for her abled son who creeped on a girl and accidentally took things too far. Better yet, the film could have made a different character neurodiverse. That way it could have had its representation without any ableism gumming up the works. Alas, it was not to be. Searching is still a great film, but it will be forever hindered by its harmful reveal.

We say this a lot, but it’s worth repeating: it’s okay to like something with problematic or even outright harmful elements. If we had to reject a story the moment we found something wrong with it, there would be no stories left! However, that makes it doubly important for us to recognize the problems in our favorite stories. The creators among us can avoid those same problems in their own work, and the fans can demand better in the future. What’s more: when we see a harmful message for what it is, that message is less likely to influence us.

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  1. Cay Reet

    As much as I love Sir Terry Pratchett (May The Clacks Forever Carry His Name), he seems to have a slight problem with that persistent suitor topic, as you can also see it in Going Postal.

    • Oren Ashkenazi

      Yeah it’s a definite weakness of his.

    • Dvärghundspossen

      Also how Granny behaves like a complete bastard a lot of the time, but it’s presented as okay. I’ve always had really mixed feelings about the witches stories because of this; overall, they’re probably the stories I like the most out of all the Discworld, but that’s a serious problem.

      One additional problem I had with Lords and Ladies in particular is how Pratchett really hits us over our heads with “Look! The elves are EVIL instead of good! Isn’t that UNIQUE? Don’t you think I’m super SPECIAL for writing a book where the elves are EVIL?”. Part of this is how Magrat just can’t believe that elves are anything but good. There’s no real explanation, as far as I can recall, as to why she so extremely convinced that elves are good, but presumably she’s meant to be a stand-in for the aduience in this respect. It’s like we, the readers, are expected to be completely BLOWN AWAY by the elves being evil, to the extent that we can hardly believe our own eyes on reading the story. And I’m like… no. Not really.

      • Cay Reet

        As far as I remember, Magrat (and almost everyone else) believes that elves are good and nice and friendly because of the elves’ glamour and because folk tales and fairy tales show them as good and nice and helpful people (remember, fairy tales equal beauty with goodness and under the glamour the elves are super-beautiful). Granny doesn’t believe in fairy tales on principles (see Witches Abroad) and thus doesn’t believe the elves are good. Evil elves actually do happen in a lot of old folk tales – they got a much better reputation once fantasy novels started happening.

        Granny being Granny does have its drawbacks, but on the whole she is being the Crone with everything that includes (originally, Granny is the Crone, Nanny is the Mother, and Magrat is the Maid – the trifeca of female identities, which only shifts when Magrat becomes a Mother and a new member enters the coven). She’s not nice, but she does what needs to be done. It’s not an accident that people go to her for burials, but to Nanny for births, even though I dare say both of them are experienced enough to handle both things. Granny is the person who will give you the truth without any sugar to sweeten it. But she’s also the one who will move heaven and earth to solve your problem. She’s not necessarily a likable character, but she gets things done.

        • Dvärghundspossen

          Now it was some time since I read the books, but Granny, for instance, sets Magrat up with that prince what’s-his-name by sending letters to him behind her back where she calls Magrat “a wet hen” (but you should still pursue her because she’s okay after all and she’s got good teeth or something to that effect) – look, that’s not “oh, I’m a badass just doing what needs to be done”. That’s the behaviour of a complete asshole. But clearly Pratchett doesn’t think so, and I have a problem with that.

          • Cay Reet

            Meddling is part of Granny’s personality. She always thinks she knows best what people need. And there are instances when her instincts fail her, as far as I remember. There are, however, because of her age, her powers, and her experience, also a lot of instances where it serves her well. It comes with her position as the Crone, too.

            When Magrat is set up with ‘that prince,’ though, he’s still ‘that court jester.’ And new-age witch Magrat is something of a wet hen, as it were. The two of them have been going out before, but neither of them is clearly going to make the next step.

            Again, Granny is not a likeable character as a such – the most likeable of the witches in Magrat, closely followed by Nanny. Granny is the witch who could be a marvellous evil witch, but holds on very tightly to the moral limits she has set for herself. She’s not nice, she’s meddling, she’s going behind people’s backs, but she does it out of her wish to help, not to make others look bad or get herself an advantage. That is how I read her and have always read her.

          • Dvärghundspossen

            Everything you say about her doing what she does for people’s own good etc is absolutely true, the thing is, her behaviour is still horrible!

            We’ll probably have to agree to disagree on this one, I realized Oren wrote an article about this earlier, and says it better than I do:

          • Jasin Moridin

            It says quite a lot about the character that in the writings of one of the most prominent Discworld fanfic authors (A.A. Pessimal), it’s completely fitting with the tone of the original books that in those fics set after Granny Weatherwax’s death, mention of her name by another Witch is always followed by a respectful “May her soul have mercy on the Gods.”

            I personally believe that Sir Pterry was well aware of Granny’s personality being problematic. Why else would she have accumulated such honorifics as “She who must be avoided” and “Go Around the Other Side of the Mountain”?

            That flawed, controlling, meddling personality is part of what makes her who she is as a character, though. I think she’d be rather less compelling if she were more likable. It’s the mismatch between who she knows she should be (the Wicked One) and who she feels she was forced by circumstances to be (the Good One) that informs most of arc in the stories… and oddly enough, given that Witch magic in Discworld is at its best in those liminal spaces between one thing and another (at the Edge, as it were), it also probably fuels a lot of her frankly terrifying level power and ability as a Witch. That part isn’t spelled out, but it certainly fits.

  2. Kenneth Mackay

    One thing I think goes to explain Granny’s personality is her sister, Lily Weatherwax (AKA Lilith de Tempscire) who ran off to become an evil Witch-Queen. Granny resented this, as it left her, Esmerelda Weatherwax, having to be the GOOD witch of the family – and Granny reckoned she’d have made a far better job of being an evil witch than her sister!

    • Cay Reet

      Given Granny’s intelligence and raw power, it’s clear she would have been a much better evil witch, yes. Circumstances forced her into the role of the good one and she detests that, but also has accepted it. The result is the sometimes borderline-evil (manipulating people is, after all, a tool of all evil characters) behaviour which doesn’t make her likeable, but makes her whole the was she is, nevertheless.

  3. Tenorius

    Objectifying women through inappropriate clothing or behavior is not a trope in Japan. It’s common sense. It’s standard. It’s fan service. And it’s disgusting. And the authors do now better. They just do it because they’re used to not thinking about women being worth of more. It’s a cultural unspoken rule. And it bleeds way beyond manga/ anime culture.

    And they’re actually not intended to appeal the younger audiences. Here in Japan everybody reads manga and watches anime. It’s like watching Friends. They’re there to amuse pedophile wannabes. And it’s a big issue, as many of them escalate and offer expensive gifts or money to underaged girls in exchange for nude pictures, videos or even sex. I believe the scandal about Samurai X’s creator Nobuhiro Watsuki possessing child pornography shows how things are going here.

  4. uschi

    Is Artemis still worth the read? The first paragraph about it got me interested, then… it took a bad turn.
    As bad as this “romance” subplot sounds, I would like to point out that Svoboda being physically unattractive seems like a nice change. This is one thing that I hate about almost all fictional romances – either one or both characters have to be beautiful. As a person who is aware of their below-average looks, I feel there is a representation issue there. I don’t deny that some people are more attractive than others, and they may have an easier time finding partners, but in the real world, most relationships involve average-looking people, and I don’t think it would harm any story to tone down the protagonist’s and love interest’s hotness a bit (or a lot).
    (The creepy behaviour is a completely different story, but appearance should not be a deal breaker for a love interest.)

    • Cay Reet

      I haven’t read the novel, so I can’t tell you if it’s worth it.

      I agree with you on the problem of having only good-looking love interests, but I think a love interest, no matter the looks, should have something lovable about them. So the question for me is if there’s something about Svoboda’s character which makes him lovable. If it’s just ‘he saved the day, so here’s his girl as a reward,’ it would be a horrible romance subplot.

    • Oren Ashkenazi

      I think Artemis is still worth reading for its plot and worldbuilding, but your mileage may vary.

      And while it’s certainly true that romance doesn’t have to be based on physical attraction, especially not traditionally defined beauty, there does need to be SOME kind of attraction, and Svoboda has none.

      More broadly, what makes a desirable romance interest is complicated, but in general it’s helpful to have some kind of physical element to it. Again, that doesn’t mean either party has to be a super model. Maybe they like the way their partner’s hair frames their face, maybe they like the way their partner laughs. In order for the romance to compelling there needs to be more than just physical attraction of course, but that’s often a place to start.

      Artemis, meanwhile, is playing into the trope that men don’t need to be at all attractive, but women certainly do. Not only does this further the unrealistic standard of beauty for women, but it shames them for the perfectly naturally desire to date someone they find attractive.

    • Chris Winkle

      I would say the novel is probably worth reading for most people. It has a solid plot and engaging setting, altogether it’s a stronger work than the vast majority of stuff I read. But the characters are the weak point, and so it’s possible you might just get sick of that. Svoboda does help Jazz out a number of times, but he also has a general creep vibe, and it’s written off as him not having social skills/not knowing how to talk to women. He’s not front and center in the book, most scenes don’t include him. The other continuing issue is that other characters make continual gross jokes about how much sex Jazz has, it’s clear that Weir actually thinks it’s funny. If those are hot button issues for you, maybe don’t read it, but it’s on this list of “good stories” because it’s a good story.

      • uschi

        Thanks for your replies! I may check it out then, because the setting at least sounds interesting to me, and I am willing to overlook the weaker parts of an otherwise good story.
        I do realize that your problem with the story wasn’t Svobodas appearance, but his creepiness and the general tone of it, and I agree that this alone is absolutely enough to resent this subplot.
        I would never deny that physical attractiveness plays a role in, well, attraction, but it sometimes seems like a love interest has to hit the highest marks in every respect. I would love to see more stories where a character has some unattractive physical features (because who hasn’t any), which become unimportant over time because feelings develop, and the person as a whole seems beautiful. At least for me that’s what usually happens, and I think this change is fascinating, and would feel more inclusive for people who aren’t supermodels.
        Oren, I completely agree that the double standard for attractiveness for men and women is harmful. Could it be a gross attempt at making a probably predominantly male audience feel that they can get the hot girl even though they are usually considered unattractive?

  5. Sophie the Jedi Knight

    When I first saw Searching on this list I couldn’t think what the “creepy” element could be. Then I read it and said “Ohhhhhhhhh.” Very well put.

    You say that this problem could be fixed by making a different character neurodivergent. Which character would you suggest would be a good choice for this? There aren’t many important characters in the movie – just Cho, his dead wife, his brother, and Margot. By the end of the movie you know that the detective was in on it, so making her disabled would be a no-no. Do you think a character would’ve had to been added to the story for diversity?

    • Oren Ashkenazi

      Well the first step in solving the problem would be not to do the reveal that the stalker kid is neurodiverse, and then use that as a shield to partially absolve him of responsibility.

      Beyond that, I see no reason Cho’s character, the brother, or the daughter couldn’t have been neurodiverse. I guess the brother might have been a little challenging since showing that he’s ND without making it seem like a plot point might be difficult, but the father and daughter seem pretty easy to me.

  6. Lexy

    What a great article, how did I miss this?? I would definitely like an updated version of this I don’t know why, but like you said, it’s even more important to pick out things that are wrong with content you enjoy, than content you don’t.

    I also find that with my favorite content as well, a good 70% of the time I’d say, sexism is a problem. It’s at a point where, when I come across female characters who are properly fleshed out and likable AND have realistic flaws, I just black out from sheer amazement, LOL. It’s 2020 man, this should not still be a problem I sdsjbsdsj OTL.

    And sort of relating to the last entry, the trope of having the villian be mentally ill, esp having dissociative identity disorder, reaally needs to die. Being a horror fan, I cannot tell you the amount of times that an otherwise really great terrifying horror movie was ruined for me because it turns out the killer had an unmanaged mental illness the whole time!! Oh so scary!!! /sighs heavily. As a fellow mentally ill person and a woman, definitely don’t appreciate either of these things. :’D

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